From cert@cert.orgThu Mar 14 01:54:24 1996
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 14:54:31 -0500
From: CERT Coordination Center <cert@cert.org>
To: panzer@dhp.com
Cc: cert@cert.org, admin@dhp.com
Subject: CERT#6564 - Re: Attempted-entry-in.telnetd-by-unknown@dhp.com


Hello Matt,

Thanks for the update on the incident involving your site and the
all.net site. We are glad to hear that you do not appear to have 
been compromised.

While not every telnet probe turns out to be part of an attack.
People are misdirected or make typos which cause them to attempt
to access a host to which they are unauthorized to connect. However,
we have seen enough incidents in which these probes have been part 
of a larger attack to believe that such probes are a concern. Whether
a probe should just raise a sites level of awareness or something
more drastic is a matter of opinion. We encourage sites being
probed to make the "attacking" site aware of this activity. Again,
in what manner/tone this should be done is a matter of opinion.

Since you do not feel your site is compromised and do not
feel anything further is required, we will consider this incident
addressed and closed. If you do have any additional questions or
comments please do not hesitate in contacting us.

Regards,
James Stevens
Technical Coordinator
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Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 03:58:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Matt 'Panzer Boy'" <panzer@dhp.com>
To: CERT Coordination Center <cert@cert.org>
cc: cert@cert.org, admin@dhp.com
Subject: Re: CERT#6564 - Re: Attempted-entry-in.telnetd-by-unknown@dhp.com 

On Tue, 12 Mar 1996, CERT Coordination Center wrote:
> It has been our experience that innocuous telnet probes often turn
> out to be part of a larger attack; although that obviously is not
> always the case. We would encourage you to check your systems for
> any sign of compromise. We can provide you with additional
> information on checking your systems if you are interested.

If it is your opinion that telnet probes often turn out to be part of a
larger attack, then perhaps you feel that telephone salespeople are more
likely to be burglers probing the house to see if people are home.

I feel that having automated mail on some ports to be completely insane. 
If the owner of the machine wishes to log all incoming, and deal with them
on a case by case basis, I see no problem.  However in this day, people
are likely to believe unsecured email with "root@host.com"  about how a
user has done something illegal, when they shouldn't be.

I've had naive friends of mine get in trouble and one even lost his job
over things like this.  Users on IRC tell someone else to "telnet all.net"
because it has a MUD running on it.  The user does it, that user's Admin
gets email about a "Illegal Intrusion".  If the Admin isn't completely
clued in, the user will most likely loose their account.  None of this is 
called for.

We've already checked my system for breakins.  We currently have none 
discovered.

> If you feel that Mr. Cohen's concern is unwarranted we would encourage
> you to make him aware of your reasoning. If you feel additional action
> needs to be taken, we would encourage you to contact the service provider
> of ALL.NET and make them aware of this activity.
When I made him aware of my reasoning he sent mail into CERT.  My 
followup to that message went to CERT also, along with his provider.

If you require anything information on this, feel free to contact me.  I 
feel that this incident is closed on my end.

 -Matt     (panzer@dhp.com)                         DI-1-9026
 "That which can never be enforced should not be prohibited."

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